| file under: Middle East Peace, legislation, boycotts, a new model for the Middle East | 17 Jul 2011 3:00 PM |
| Is the Boycott Law Good for Israel? | Posted by Nissim Dahan |
In the Wild, Wild West, American settlers used to "circle the wagons" when their wagon train came under attack. Some of Israel's lawmakers are doing something similar in our time.
Faced with a barrage of international criticisms, and with a concerted campaign to delegitimize the Jewish state, and with mounting calls for boycotts, divestment and sanctions, some lawmakers have taken it upon themselves to pass laws which are intended to stem the tide of widespread condemnation of Israel's policies vis a vis the Palestinians.
One such law, The Boycott Law, allows for civil suits against Israelis who organize or publicly endorse boycotts against Israel or its institutions, including universities, settlements and businesses in the West Bank. While the law does not call for criminal sanctions, it does allow the victim of boycotts to sue for damages in civil court.
Critics of the legislation say that it violates free speech and free expression. Proponents say that free speech, which has its limits, does not give us the right to injure the economic wellbeing of others. They also say something along these lines, "How can we ask the world community to ban boycotts against Israel, if we aren't willing to do so ourselves?"
In my opinion, even though I understand the rationale for such laws, and even though I can relate to the pain caused by efforts to delegitimize Israel as the home for the Jewish people, especially given the painful history that brought Israel into existence in the first place, still, I believe that on the whole, such laws do more harm than good.
There are several reasons I oppose The Boycott Law: it doesn't work, it helps Israel's enemies, it fundamentally undermines what Israel is all about, and it diverts attention from what needs to be done to restore Israel's standing in the world.
The Boycott Law will not work. On the contrary, when people who believe strongly in a cause are told "no," they become even more emboldened to do exactly the opposite. Numerous examples come to mind. The Viet Nam War, for example, was opposed by millions of Americans, some of whom took to the streets, burned their draft cards in the face of criminal prosecutions, and brought the government to its knees in a bid to end the war. The Arab Spring, although the final results are still in play, is a recent example of people taking to the streets and declaring a resounding "yes" to freedom, while assuming incalculable personal risks themselves. Simply put, it is almost impossible, over the long term, to legislate successfully against the idealistic fervor of those who are deeply committed. It doesn't work, and may actually embolden those who have been sitting quietly on the sidelines.
Another problem with The Boycott Law is that is gives fodder to Israel's enemies, who are waging a propaganda war against the Jewish state, and who search for any means possible to discredit and delegitimize the state. Therefore, while Israel holds herself out as a "democratic" state, with full freedom bestowed on its citizenry, the Boycott Law can easily be portrayed as an affront to democracy, and as a curtailment to free speech. The enemies of Israel could easily say, "What kind of democracy can Israel be is she sets out to curtail the freedom of expression of her own people?" Even the Anti-Defamation League, not exactly a bastion of liberal thinking, criticized the law saying it could impinge on the "basic democratic right of Israelis to freedom of speech and freedom of expression."
The Boycott Law is also dangerous because it can lead to a slippery slope by which Israel loses sight of her identity, her historical legacy, and the moral justification for her existence. Israel came into being, in part, because of 2000 years of oppression of the Jewish people, including forced exile, forced conversion, discrimination, inquisitions, pogroms, etc., ultimately culminating in the Holocaust, which continues to stand as one of the most evil deeds perpetrated by the hand of man.
Out of the ashes of the Holocaust, came the birth of a new nation, the nation of Israel, in the land where Jews were historically and religiously connection for over 3000 years. It was fitting, therefore, considering what Jews went through to get a state of their own, that this nation would be democratic and free, and would protect the rights of all minorities, and would serve as a "light unto the nations." In many respects, Israel has lived up to this enormous challenge, and has come to embody much of what is needed to revitalize the Middle East: economic prosperity, job creation, education, democratic rule, personal freedom, the rule of law, protection of minorities, empowerment of women, etc. It would be very wrong indeed to allow the "paranoia" of the moment to undercut Israel's stellar achievements, to discount her ability to do good in the world, and to confuse her sense of identity.
My final objection to The Boycott Law is that it diverts attention from what really needs to be done to restore Israel's image in the world. Our goal, as Israelis, should be to consummate a peace deal with the Palestinians, and to bring an end to the occupation, as soon as peace is possible. In the meantime, to facilitate and expedite the peace process, we should be doing things which point to the possibility of peace, such as spearheading an effort to revitalize the Middle East economically with good paying jobs, to put new models in place, and to promote the emergence of personal freedoms throughout the region. The Boycott Law is a short-sighted diversion, an ideological poke in the eye, which diverts attention from constructive action that could be taken, even at this time, to end the diplomatic paralysis, to build neutral pathways to peace, and to move forward on a Vision of Hope for the region, a vision of Peace, Prosperity and Freedom.

written by GABE1, July 17, 2011
written by GABE1, July 18, 2011
Israels bona fides in the Middle east are well known so rehashing it is really not that productive.
Telling Europe to get the hell out of Israels political life and discourse is the way to go One way is the Anti-Boycott law in that it will give the Europeans a message that they can no longer determine what is or is not good for Israel. It will also tell the Israeli proxies who prostitute themselves for European money that the gravy train is over and there will be consequences to their actions.
Democracies are based on majority rule and the majority in Israel voted for representatives that have a different world view than Europe or the Oinkmaship and piss groups that are paid by Europe.These groups cannot or should be allowed to subvert the will of the majority. That is not democracy.
There is no balancing act involved here.
The USA under Obamination is not the USA as personified by the American people and that is who we must outreach to and the same with Europe, although Europe may be a harder sell because of the Eurabia symptoms. But that is a European problem to solve. Israel must keep its course and not succumb to "easy fixes" which are in essence not.
written by zcardin, July 18, 2011
written by GABE1, July 18, 2011
Which Democratic Values in your opinion does it undermine. Perhaps the right to Boycott-Divestment of fellow citizens and all the while raking in millions from European Governments, Here I thought that Prostitution in any form was illegal all over the world. You mistake Israel for Amsterdam.
"Red Scare" is simply untrue here. No Jail for offenders but pocketbook penalties so that even when money comes in from Europeans it will be forfeited to the people that have been harmed. Israeli Citizens living legally in an are that they consider theirs (just like the Arabs do)and is therefore disputed and producing goods that other Israelis want to purchase. I also thought that Democracy scares the Leftists and "REDS" do not scare a Democracy where majority rules.
written by zcardin, July 18, 2011
I will ellicudate my opinion. Just because Israel is scared of what people will do does not justify an abridgement on activities. Boycotts have been seen world wide as a peaceform form of protest. May I remind you that the African Americans boycotted busses for around of year until they had equality. Israel has nothing to gain from banning a boycott. Also I do not agree with how the boycott bill went down Natanyahu was not present. This bill is not what Israel was established to be a Jewish democracy.
written by GABE1, July 18, 2011
Your second paragraph is simply a sound bite without any particular point.
So perhaps you can define Democracy for us as well as the various derivatives of it.
written by GABE1, July 18, 2011
I presume that in your world the back to work legislation is illegal if- Not unanimous, if the employees say it is.
It is not so just because you or Leftists say it is so.
THAT PESKY DEMOCRACY AND RULE OF THE MAJORITY.
written by GABE1, July 19, 2011
Nissim, I just hate it when people post something without looking at facts on the ground.
Lieberman is the most popular politician in Israel today. According to polls the law was well received by the public at large. Yes Israelis want peace but according to polls are not prepared to make any more concessions until the Arabs come up with some of their own. No one in Israel is willing to divide Jerusalem, one of Clintons suggestions.
If the Arabs are prepared to compromise than why did Rabin, Peres, Barak and Olmert not sign an agreement. They were after all the most accomdating PM's that Israel has ever had, at least towards the Balis.
written by GABE1, July 19, 2011
Please be REALISTIC. Fiction does not become anyone.
PS: ISRAEL DOES NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTION. If the law is struck down than we have a serious problem with the Judiciary as they are only the interpreters of Law and only the Knesset can make Laws-JUST LIKE IN THE USA.
Lastly, let me state that "occupation" is only a word associated with the Left and people who are about to be charged for political crimes in Israel. Yes there is occupation , but it is Arab occupation. It has been showing up in terrorism and massacres since 1929 and has not abated until now.
You should choose your words more carefully lest someone may get the idea that you are an apologist for the Arabs.
Democracy is simply a word that denotes the rule of the majority of people. In the USA while segregation existed it was still a democracy. So please lets get of the dime and not make interpretations that have no meaning in universal terms. Israel was set up as a Jewish State and haven for the Jews and not as a World Order Socialist Country. I guess you and people like you have not internalized that. Israel must do what is best for Israeli JEWS who voted in the majority for a certain program.
You are trying to overturn that democracy because some law does not fit into your cubicle. Israel has a legal autonomous right to protect itself from within and without and all the WORLD can take a FLYING LEAP.
written by zcardin, July 19, 2011
written by GABE1, July 20, 2011
I am so glad that Israel is a vibrant democracy even though people like you try to abuse it. You did not even bother to reply to my "strike" comparison with the USA. Boycotts are by its very nature not beaceful.
written by GABE1, July 20, 2011
Do you know the meaning of the word "occupation" and who was it conquered from? Did the Jordanians owns Judea and Samaria and if not who were the owners. As an aside, the Palestinians were not yer invented.
So please tell me how and under what conditions does occupation occur. I may be mistaken but I doubt it. Please do not give me the morality play. I am just sick of this Leftist soundbite.
While we are at it please tell me under what conditions the 1949 lines were set up and also the interpretations of the framers of 242. Have you even read them?
The Farkakte (shitty) world give not give a Flying Leap about Jews in 1939-1944 or 1947-1948 or even in 1949-1967 or in 1967 and 1973. We had to fend off for ourselves by ourselves. Yes it makes me feel good and will continue making me feel good. Except now I am confident to tell THEM to take a "Flying Leap". I am sure of myself as a Jew and the strength of my Nation. Obviously you are not.
written by GABE1, July 21, 2011
• Institute for the Study of Diplomacy:
Much play has been made of the fact that we didn’t say “the” territories or “all the” territories. But that was deliberate. I myself knew very well the 1967 boundaries and if we had put in the “the” or “all the” that could only have meant that we wished to see the 1967 boundaries perpetuated in the form of a permanent frontier. This I was certainly not prepared to recommend.
• Journal of Palestine Studies, “An Interview with Lord Caradon,” Spring - Summer 1976, pgs 144-45:
Q. The basis for any settlement will be United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, of which you were the architect. Would you say there is a contradiction between the part of the resolution that stresses the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and that which calls for Israeli withdrawal from “occupied territories,” but not from “the occupied territories”?
A. I defend the resolution as it stands. What it states, as you know, is first the general principle of inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. That means that you can’t justify holding onto territory merely because you conquered it. We could have said: well, you go back to the 1967 line. But I know the 1967 line, and it’s a rotten line. You couldn’t have a worse line for a permanent international boundary. It’s where the troops happened to be on a certain night in 1948. It’s got no relation to the needs of the situation.
Had we said that you must go back to the 1967 line, which would have resulted if we had specified a retreat from all the occupied territories, we would have been wrong. In New York, what did we know about Tayyibe and Qalqilya? If we had attempted in New York to draw a new line, we would have been rather vague. So what we stated was the principle that you couldn’t hold territory because you conquered it, therefore there must be a withdrawal to – let’s read the words carefully – “secure and recognized boundaries.” The can only be secure if they are recognized. The boundaries have to be agreed; it’s only when you get agreement that you get security. I think that now people begin to realize what we had in mind – that security doesn’t come from arms, it doesn’t come from territory, it doesn’t come from geography, it doesn’t come from one side domination the other, it can only come from agreement and mutual respect and understanding.
Therefore, what we did, I think, was right; what the resolution said was right and I would stand by it. It needs to be added to now, of course. ... We didn’t attempt to deal with [the questions of the Palestinians and of Jerusalem] then, but merely to state the general principles of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. We meant that the occupied territories could not be held merely because they were occupied, but we deliberately did not say that the old line, where the troops happened to be on that particular night many years ago, was an ideal demarcation line.
• Daily Star (Beirut), June 12, 1974. Qtd. in Myths and Facts, Leonard J. Davis, pg. 48:
It would have been wrong to demand that Israel return to its positions of 4 June 1967 because those positions were undesirable and artificial. After all, they were just the places the soldiers of each side happened to be the day the fighting stopped in 1948. They were just armistice lines. That's why we didn't demand that the Israelis return to them and I think we were right not to ...
• Interview on Kol Israel radio, February 1973, qtd. on Web site of Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
Q. This matter of the (definite) article which is there in French and is missing in English, is that really significant?
A. The purposes are perfectly clear, the principle is stated in the preamble, the necessity for withdrawal is stated in the operative section. And then the essential phrase which is not sufficiently recognized is that withdrawal should take place to secure and recognized boundaries, and these words were very carefully chosen: they have to be secure and they have to be recognized. They will not be secure unless they are recognized. And that is why one has to work for agreement. This is essential. I would defend absolutely what we did. It was not for us to lay down exactly where the border should be. I know the 1967 border very well. It is not a satisfactory border, it is where troops had to stop in 1947, just where they happened to be that night, that is not a permanent boundary...
Nothing in this piece about Palestinians and it could be inferred that a secure border is the Jordan River as the negotiations and the Green Line were with Jordan. I am just sick and tired of your morality play. Let the Arabs be moral for a change and Eurabia can take a FLYING LEAP.
written by GABE1, July 21, 2011
• Telegram from the Department of State to the U.S. Interests Section of the Spanish Embassy in the United Arab Republic summarizing Rostow’s conversation with Soviet Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin:
Rostow said ... resolution required agreement on "secure and recognized" boundaries, which, as practical matter, and as matter of interpreting resolution, had to precede withdrawals. Two principles were basic to Article I of resolution. Paragraph from which Dobrynin quoted was linked to others, and he did not see how anyone could seriously argue, in light of history of resolution in Security Council, withdrawal to borders of June 4th was contemplated. These words had been pressed on Council by Indians and others, and had not been accepted.
• Proceedings of the 64th annual meeting of the American Society of International Law, 1970, pgs 894-96:
... the question remained, “To what boundaries should Israel withdraw?” On this issue, the American position was sharply drawn, and rested on a critical provision of the Armistice Agreements of 1949. Those agreements provided in each case that the Armistice Demarcation Line “is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims or positions of either party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.” ... These paragraphs, which were put into the agreements at Arab insistence, were the legal foundation for the controversies over the wording of paragraphs 1 and 3 of Security Council Resolution 242, of November 22, 1967. ...
The agreement required by paragraph 3 of the resolution, the Security Council said, should establish “secure and recognized boundaries” between Israel and its neighbors “free from threats or acts of force,” to replace the Armistice Demarcation Lines established in 1949, and the cease-fire lines of June, 1967. The Israeli armed forces should withdraw to such lines, as part of a comprehensive agreement, settling all the issues mentioned in the resolution, and in a condition of peace.
On this point, the American position has been the same under both the Johnson and the Nixon Administrations. The new and definitive political boundaries should not represent “the weight of conquest,” both Administrations have said; on the other hand, under the policy and language of the Armistice Agreements of 1949, and of the Security Council Resolution of November 22, 1967, they need not be the same as the Armistice Demarcation Lines. ...
This is the legal significance of the omission of the word “the” from paragraph 1 (I) of the resolution, which calls for the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces “from territories occupied in the recent conflict,” and not “from the territories occupied in the recent conflict.” Repeated attempts to amend this sentence by inserting the word “the” failed in the Security Council. It is therefore not legally possible to assert that the provision requires Israeli withdrawal from all the territories now occupied under the Cease-Fire Resolutions to the Armistice Demarcation Lines.
Those who claim that Resolution 242 is ambiguous on the point are either ignorant of the history of its negotiation or simply taking a convenient tactical position.
• The New Republic, “Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies,” Oct. 21, 1991:
Five-and-a-half months of vehement public diplomacy in 1967 made it perfectly clear what the missing definite article in Resolution 242 means. Ingeniously drafted resolutions calling for withdrawals from “all” the territories were defeated in the Security Council and the General Assembly. Speaker after speaker made it explicit that Israel was not to be forced back to the “fragile” and “vulnerable” Armistice Demarcation Lines, but should retire once peace was made to what Resolution 242 called “secure and recognized” boundaries, agreed to by the parties. In negotiating such agreements, the parties should take into account, among other factors, security considerations, access to the international waterways of the region, and, of course, their respective legal claims.
• The New York Times, “Don’t strong-arm Israel,” Feb. 19, 1991:
Security Council Resolution 242, approved after the 1967 war, stipulates not only that Israel and its neighboring states should make peace with each other but should establish “a just and lasting peace in the Middle East.” Until that condition is met, Israel is entitled to administer the territories it captured – the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip – and then withdraw from some but not necessarily all of the land to “secure and recognized boundaries free of threats or acts of force.”
written by GABE1, July 21, 2011
…the Jews have the same right to settle there as they have to settle in Haifa. The West Bank and the Gaza Strip were never parts of Jordan, and Jordan’s attempt to annex the West Bank was not generally recognized and has now been abandoned. The two parcels of land are parts of the Mandate that have not yet been allocated to Jordan, to Israel, or to any other state, and are a legitimate subject for discussion.
The international community has thrown around the expression “international law” and “Palestinian rights” in discussing the issue of Israeli settlement, but few have actually looked at the law and the opinions of the lawmaker, upon which these statements are based.? It is clear that the drafters of Resolution 242 were not banning Israeli settlement in the West Bank and Gaza.? Anybody who argues this fact hasn’t read the laws or surveyed the opinions upon which the resolutions we
written by GABE1, July 21, 2011
I will bet you that there will not be a Palestinian State in any Borders in my ,your or our grand children's lifetime. The Arabs are not after some borders, they are after the whole enchillada-Israel.
written by GABE1, July 22, 2011
PLEASE TRANSLATE THIS PARAGRAPH FROM THE FOURTH GENEVA CONVENTION and how it relates to your belief(mistaken) that Israel occupies anything.
BTW: There seems to be no clear definition of occupation in this convention. If Florida declares itself a country and the USA retakes it within a year , does that qualify as "occupation".
1947 UN votes for partition Israel agrees the Arabs not.
Israel declares a State and the Arabs attack.
Jordan captures Judea and Samaria and annexes it
1967 Jordan attacks Israel and Israel captures Judea and Samaria.
As a lawyer you could answer these questions.
1. UNGA votes for partition but the Arabs reject. In International Law. there is no CONTRACT and the last operational League of Nations decision is the Mandate for Palestine. The Borders of Israel therefore revert to this last agreement.
2. Jordan's conquest is illegal and the question is who did they conquer it from. I maintain Israel.
3. You have two scenarios possible
1. Israel simply recaptures its own land in keeping with the League of Nations, Mandate for Palestine (It was btw ratified by the USA Congress)
2. Israel conquered the land for a conqueror. The question is from whom?
written by GABE1, July 22, 2011
Land swaps are a non starter as the Israeli public will not allow or forgive anyone who will part with the Galil and that is the anticipated land, the Arab triangle, that would be given up.
The Bush 2004 letter would more likely be the outcome. Gaza and Judea and Samaria would most likely be connected via a tunnel and not a bridge. Security wise it would be easier to control , including checkpoints along the route. Also easier to shut down in case of hostilities.
YOU still have not replied to my analysis of your "occupation" statement. Nor have you alluded to Eugene Rostows statement that Israels claim to Judea and Samaria has a stronger validity than that of the Arabs.
As to being a Leftist, I have no doubts about it but you do fluctuate between both Leftism and Centrism depending on how much your feet are put to the fire.
BTW: Legality and Possession are generally all that one needs to claim Legal Rights and possession.
Reality and legality are the same face of a coin. You seem to think that reality and law should somehow differ. That is just plain nonsense. In reality Israel is a Jewish State that reality cannot be changed. The laws of Israel are based on that reality. Leftists want to somehow change the nature of Israel by demonizing a portion of its citizens and scream bloody murder when they are prevented from denying the Jewish its democratic right and its majority from deciding what policies they will carry out.
written by GABE1, July 22, 2011
written by GABE1, July 22, 2011
When you are talking demographics you are in fact making the mistake that a lot in the Left are making, except that they are making that mistake on purpose.
Israel without Judea and Samaria has about 20% Arabs and with Judea and Samaria 28%. Within the next 20 years the Arab numbers are supposed to shrink as the birth rates are declining while Jewish birth rates are on the ascendancy. So if you are taking population exchanges we may have something to discuss otherwise lets not go into demographics as that is a red herring.
LONG TERM THREAT
If a Palestinian State is established even on Israeli terms you will still have that 20% Arab population and in Judea and Samaria you will be adding a hostile, extremist population there and if Israel has to recapture or annex than you will have a bigger mess on your hands. The addition I am talking about are the so called Arabs who may in fact destabilize the area as unemployment would skyrocket and the Palestinians will lose all the UNWRA welfare money.
Nissim, as far as I am concerned and I am backed by quite a few Israelis the status quo suits me just fine.
written by GABE1, July 24, 2011
Gaza is the larger of the two and it has only 1.2 million Arabs.
Come back when you have done your homework and not just mouthing unsubstantiated propaganda.
On the long term threat, I have not missed the point. Your UTOPIA prevents you from looking at reality and that my friend is really sad.
written by GABE1, July 25, 2011
I know that you will whitewash all that and just say that after all this time will be different. JUST TRUST ME as I know the Arab mind, or something approximating this.
Your UTOPIAN vision is simply a recipe for disaster.
Once you give something away and acknowledge that there is such a people as the Palestinians than you cannot take it back without being an agressor or an occupier of someones sovereign lands, which they never were , are not and never will be. So please stop salivating. It will not happen in September or anytime soon.
Based on your statements, your so called love of Israel is simple contrived to cover your naivete or simply your conscious Leftist Inter nationalistic mind frame.
You can argue that Israel is an occupier and you would be dead wrong. I would not stoop to such outlandish Leftist and Arab labeling. I was not aware that squatters could acquire and f land that they are squatting on. The tragedy is that some Jews (Leftists) have the unmitigated gall to claim that it is so and the land actually belongs to these squatters. SAD. REALLY SAD.
written by GABE1, July 25, 2011
As someone with a law degree tell me the circumstances. I also have a Law Degree so lets not pull each others leg.
The facts have died
Op-ed: How many people live in Judea and Samaria? One’s answer depends on ideology
Yair Lapid
Published: 07.23.11, 16:41 / Israel Opinion
So how many people live in the territories?
Seemingly, it’s a simple question. There’s a certain area called “Judea and Samaria,” where a certain number of people live. What’s this number?
Yet a raging, almost violent debate surrounds the answer. The numbers range from two million to four million Palestinians (which, according to the economist from the previous clause, is a difference of no less than 100%) and somewhere between 200,000 to 350,000 settlers.
written by GABE1, July 25, 2011
written by GABE1, July 26, 2011
written by GABE1, July 26, 2011
Squatters in the US can gain ownership only under conditions where the land is abandoned and where the squatter is paying all the levies against the property and is actively living on that property and/or working it. He must apply for title.
This is not the case in Judea and Samaria as most of that land until 1948 was owned by absentee landlords under agreements with the Ottomans and not as titled ownership. A large percentage of this land was owned or purchased by Jews. Most of the land however is state owned ie Ottomans, Jordanians and now Israel. I am sure that you will not argue that the Ottomans gained the land other than through conquest as did the British and had rights to deed it to whoever they wanted to. You would be dead wrong on that.
International law in the current climate is too political to have a go at it, but in a world free of bias there would never come a time when a 23 Arab state would be created.
written by zcardin, July 26, 2011
written by GABE1, July 27, 2011
Instead of swimming let these women demonstrate against the terror and honour killings. They will not do that because it is safer to demonize Israel than work for a genuine peace.
As for that Aharoni "ZONA shel Aravim", well I have said it all
written by GABE1, July 27, 2011
Both you and Zcardin cannot even explain why these women are trying to get into Israel when Aharoni cannot even get near the beautiful beaches of Gaza or why she does not join these women in Gaza to demonstrate for peace, against terror and Qassams and for womens rights.
Unlike you, I do not quake every time I hear intifada, Naqba, UN or any other threats emanating from the beaceful Balestinians.
Do not fool yourselves by repeating your mantra of "Israeli Security". It reminds me of Nero and his fiddling. Do not fool yourself my making these suicidal suggestions and claiming that they are for our sake. Plain unadulterated BS and if you don't know that than I feel sorry for you.
If you continue with that occupation crap than I assure you you will be debating with yourself.
written by GABE1, July 27, 2011
In response, Meyer M. Treinkman, a pharmacist, out of the kindness of his heart, offered to assist them in their boycott as follows:
"Any Muslim who has Syphilis must not be cured by Salvarsan discovered by a Jew, Dr. Ehrlich. He should not even try to find out whether he has Syphilis, because the Wasserman Test is the discovery of a Jew. If a Muslim suspects that he has Gonorrhea, he must not seek diagnosis, because he will be using the method of a Jew named Neissner.
"A Muslim who has heart disease must not use Digitalis, a discovery by a Jew, Ludwig Traube.
Should he suffer with a toothache, he must not use Novocaine, a discovery of the Jews, Widal and Weil.
If a Muslim has Diabetes, he must not use Insulin, the result of research by Minkowsky, a Jew. If one has a headache, he must shun Pyramidon and Antypyrin, due to the Jews, Spiro and Ellege.
Muslims with convulsions must put up with them because it was a Jew, Oscar Leibreich, who proposed the use of Chloral Hydrate.
Arabs must do likewise with their psychic ailments because Freud, father of psychoanalysis, was a Jew.
Should a Muslim child get Diphtheria, he must refrain from the "Schick" reaction which was invented by the Jew, Bella Schick.
"Muslims should be ready to die in great numbers and must not permit treatment of ear and brain damage, work of Nobel Prize winner, Robert Baram.
They should continue to die or remain crippled by Infantile Paralysis because the discoverer of the anti-polio vaccine is a Jew, Jonas Salk.
"Muslims must refuse to use Streptomycin and continue to die of Tuberculosis because a Jew, Zalman Waxman, invented the wonder drug against this killing disease.
Muslim doctors must discard all discoveries and improvements by dermatologist Judas Sehn Benedict, or the lung specialist, Frawnkel, and of many other world renowned Jewish scientists and medical experts.
"In short, good and loyal Muslims properly and fittingly should remain afflicted with Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Heart Disease, Headaches, Typhus, Diabetes, Mental Disorders, Polio Convulsions and Tuberculosis and be proud to obey the Islamic boycott."
Meanwhile I ask, what medical contributions to the world have the Muslims made?
written by GABE1, July 27, 2011
I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another mosque being built in Sydney ..
I think it should be the goal of every Australian to be tolerant.
Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.
That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque.
We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, "The Turban Cowboy ", and the other a topless bar called "You Mecca Me Hot."
Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant, called " Iraq o' Ribs."
Across the street there could be a lingerie store called " Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret ", with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods.
Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge ", its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called "Morehammered."
All of this would encourage the Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the mosque problem would be solved.
If you agree with promoting tolerance, and you think this is a good plan, please pass it on...
written by GABE1, July 27, 2011
Lets get real and call a spade a spade. Appeasement by throwing money at them will not change their behaviour. Giving them land that was never theirs will not change their behaviour. Making them perpetual refugees did not change their behaviour and keeping them on welfare did not change their behaviour.
LETTING THEM LOSE AND ALLOWING THEM TO SINK OR SWIM ON THEIR OWN IS THE SOLUTION.
So please lets cut the crap. Enough is Enough.
written by GABE1, July 28, 2011
Do you believe that this "tearjerker" has any significance? I don't. Why not tell us the stories of Hamas's charter and how women in Gaza and Judea and Samaria follow them. About the Palestinian woman that was treated in Israel for severe burns who brought a suicide belt with her to blow up the hospital where she was treated.
LIKE WATER OFF OF A DUCK.
Why are you so selective?
BTW I posted it on this blog on July 27,2011.
NO, it is not worth a try . Let the Beacefull Balestinians try being civilized and not be so drunk on the idea of annihilating Israel. You could try getting a spine and stop being a jellyfish. I know it does not square with your Leftist agenda , but try it nevertheless.
Frankly, I am tired of your butts in the face of irrefutable facts to the contrary.



We in the USA, the West and Israel are nations of laws and when deeds fall through the cracks we enact laws to correct.
What is going on in Israel is unprecedented and even in the USA during the Vietnam era this did not occur. One may disagree with a policy of the government and demonstrate against it but to take money from Foreign governments to to their bidding and to harm the state is not acceptable.
Freedom of speech of a tiny vocal and self hating minority who do not go to the army or support the state in any way is a price that the majority is willing to pay. There is no intrusion into freedom of speech but if it is deemed harmful than there will be a price to be paid. I see nothing wrong with that.
I always chuckle when people who do not even know what democracy is mistake it it for a license to commit suicide. I can give you 100 reasons why Canada and the USA are not democracies even though I believe that they are the "greatest democracies" to date. So please do me a favour and lets not use that as a red herring.
Do I really care what the EU or the Arab world thinks about Israeli laws. The short answer is "NO" and the longer answer is "Mind your own business and worry about yourselves first. Clean out your own stable first"
Can you tell me about Freedoms of the Indians in Canada and the USA: the Aboriginals in Australia: the Mayas in South America: the Tibetans in China: the Kurds, the Gypsies, The Basques, etc, etc.
Do these countries worry about the world-NO. Why should we?